Laurie Ditto Shares Her Experiences in Heaven | Something More. She Shares Wonderful Experiences in Heaven. Shallom,
RB: HELLO. WELCOME TO "SOMETHING MORE." MY NAME IS RYAN BRUSS. AND I'M HERE WITH LAURIE DITTO. THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US.
LD: THANK YOU.
RB: AND THE NAME OF THIS PROGRAM TODAY IS "ENCOUNTERING HEAVEN." AND LAURIE HAS HAD MANY EXPERIENCES IN HEAVEN WITH THE LORD. AND HEAVEN'S A REAL PLACE.
LD: YES.
RB: I KNOW IT'S IN THE BIBLE. I KNOW WE TALK ABOUT IT, WE SING ABOUT IT. BUT IT IS REAL.
LD: IT IS REAL.
RB: AND YOU REALLY HAVE BEEN THERE.
LD: YES.
RB: WELL, TALK ABOUT THAT. I MEAN, IT'S REAL.
LD: IT IS. YOU KNOW, IT'S BETTER THAN ANYTHING THAT I CAN TELL YOU. YOU CAN'T EXAGGERATE THE BEAUTY, AND THE SPLENDOR, AND THE HAPPINESS, AND THE JOY THAT'S IN HEAVEN. AND IT'S OUR HOME. AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HEADED. HALLELUJAH.
RB: SO, ARE WE GOING TO BE, WHEN WE GO TO HEAVEN, ARE WE GOING TO BE, ARE THERE CHERUBS THAT ARE GOING TO BE FLYING AROUND?
LD: [LAUGHS]
RB: JUST HANDING US GRAPES? AND WE'RE GOING TO BE LAYING AROUND ALL DAY? WHAT, IS IT A REAL CITY? IS IT A REAL KINGDOM?
LD: IT IS. AND I DIDN'T SEE THAT. ALTHOUGH, I HAVE SEEN ANGELS. THEY'RE MIGHTY. THEY'RE BIG. WHEN THEY WEAR THEIR WINGS IT'S LIKE THEY'RE IN DRESS UNIFORM.
RB: WOW.
LD: SO IT'S A WONDERFUL PLACE. IT'S AN OPERATING CITY THAT I WAS IN. THERE'S AN OPERATING CITY. AND WE CAN'T WAIT TO GET THERE.
RB: BUT IT'S A KINGDOM.
LD: AMEN.
RB: AND THERE'S A LOT. AND JESUS SAID PRAY LIKE THIS, "THY KINGDOM COME. THY WILL BE DONE."
LD: THAT'S RIGHT.
RB: SO I KNOW YOU HAVE A REAL PASSION TO BRING HEAVEN DOWN TO EARTH BECAUSE IT'S REAL. AND YOU TALK ABOUT HOW EARTH IS LIKE A PLAYGROUND YOU KNOW, THAT GOD MADE FOR US.
LD: RIGHT. RIGHT. AND SO, IN HEAVEN THERE ARE PRINCIPLES. THERE ARE HEAVENLY PRINCIPLES THAT WE REALLY NEED, TO OPERATE IN THOSE, TO SEE THE KINGDOM BREAK FORTH IN OUR LIVES. SO TRUTH IS A KINGDOM PRINCIPLE.
RB: RIGHT.
LD: AND TRUTH BRINGS US INTO THAT REALITY. SO THERE ARE A LOT OF WORDS THAT WERE DESIGNED FOR HEAVEN. AND IF WE USE THEM CORRECTLY HERE ON THE EARTH THEN WE WILL GET THE SAME PRINCIPLE IN HEAVEN THAT'S HAPPENING HERE.
RB: NOW YOU'VE HAD MANY ENCOUNTERS IN HEAVEN.
LD: YES.
RB: AND, TELL ME ABOUT THE RED DRESS HEAVEN STORY.
LD: [LAUGHS] THAT TIME I GOT TO HEAVEN, RYAN, I NOTICED I WAS NOT IN THE TYPICAL CLOTHING. MOST OF THE CLOTHING IN HEAVEN IS BEAUTIFUL WHITE CLOTHING. AND IF YOU COULD TAKE EVERY SINGLE COLOR AND THERE'S COLORS IN HEAVEN THAT ARE NOT ON THE EARTH.
IF YOU COULD TAKE EVERY SINGLE COLOR AND COMPRESS IT INTO A DOT IT WOULD CREATE SEQUINS OF, LIKE LIGHT. THAT'S THE WHITE. AND I WAS WEARING THIS RED DRESS THAT WAS, IT WAS NOT A BEAUTIFUL RED DRESS.
RB: HM.
LD: IT WAS CUT ALL WRONG. IT WAS FOR A GIRL. IT WAS MUCH TOO TIGHT. JUST NOT A GOOD DRESS. AND I FELT VERY SELF-CONSCIOUS IN THAT DRESS. AND THERE WERE ANGELS TRYING TO TAKE ME TO SEE THE LORD, AND I DIDN'T WANT TO GO, BECAUSE I FELT INADEQUATE.
RB: INADEQUATE. YEAH.
LD: SO I GOT THERE. AND WHEN THEY ARRIVED THE LORD WENT TO TOUCH MY HANDS. AND HE LOVES TO GRAB AHOLD OF US,
RB: REALLY?
LD: OR, YOU KNOW, PUT HIS ARM AROUND US.
RB: AND THAT'S MISSING IN TODAY'S WORLD. A LOT OF PUTTING YOUR ARM AROUND, YOU KNOW, THAT TOUCHY,
LD: THAT'S TRUE. IT'S TRUE.
RB: SO JESUS IS KIND OF TOUCHY-FEELY.
LD: [LAUGHS] AND HE'S AWESOME. IT'S AWESOME.
RB: RIGHT.
LD: AND AS SOON AS HE WENT TO TOUCH ME, I SAID, "DON'T TOUCH ME, LORD." AND RIGHT AWAY HE SAID, "WHAT IS THE ACCUSATION?" AND IT JUST STARTED COMING OUT OF ME. [SIGHS] I STARTED TELLING HIM HOW I DON'T BELIEVE I AM WHO YOU SAY I AM.
RB: WOW.
LD: MEANING, I DIDN'T THINK THAT I WAS SPECIAL OR IMPORTANT. AND THEN HE WOULD HEAR THAT, AND HE WOULD ASK FOR MORE. AND WHEN THE LORD ASKS FOR AN ANSWER FROM ONE OF HIS SERVANTS IT JUST, YOU'RE GOING TO ANSWER.
AND SOMETIMES I DIDN'T REALIZE THE ANSWER THAT WAS COMING OUT. I SAID TO HIM, "I AM A PROSTITUTE." WHICH WAS SHOCKING THERE,
RB: RIGHT.
LD: TO HEAR THAT. BECAUSE I'VE DONE A LOT OF WRONG THINGS. BUT I DIDN'T THINK I'D DONE THAT ONE.
RB: RIGHT. RIGHT.
LD: BUT IT WAS TRUE WHEN I WAS SAYING IT.
RB: BUT THAT'S WHAT CAME UP OUT OF YOU.
LD: RIGHT. YOU KNOW, I HAVE THIS FEAR OF MAN, AND I WANTED TO BE LIKED. AND SO YOU WOULD BEHAVE DIFFERENTLY.
RB: WOW. AND YOU'RE TELLING THE LORD ALL OF THESE THINGS?
LD: YEAH. AND IT'S JUST COMING RIGHT OUT. AND HE WOULD ASK AGAIN. AND IT WAS AS IF HE WAS GRABBING AND PULLING ALL OF THAT PAIN OUT OF ME.
RB: RIGHT.
LD: AND WHEN I WAS OLD I TOLD HIM THINGS LIKE, "I DON'T BELIEVE YOU ARE WHO YOU SAY YOU ARE. I DON'T BELIEVE YOU'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING" AND NONE OF IT BOTHERED HIM.
RB: I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU. YOU TEACH IN YOUR CDS AND IN YOUR BOOK THAT THOSE KINDS OF QUESTIONS DON'T BOTHER THE LORD.
LD: NO. [LAUGHS]
RB: HE KNOWS HOW TO HANDLE IT. RIGHT?
LD: RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE MORE SHOCKED THAN,
RB: YEAH.
LD: HE ALREADY KNOWS THE ANSWER.
RB: RIGHT. EXACTLY. BUT GO AHEAD.
LD: SO THEN, HE, ONCE IT WAS ALL OUT, HE SAID TO ME, HE SAID, "LAURIE, THOSE THINGS WERE TRUE ABOUT YOU BEFORE I SAVED YOU."
RB: WOW. WOW.
LD: AND IT WAS SO REFRESHING TO KNOW THAT THAT SALVATION INCLUDES MORE THAN WE UNDERSTAND IT THAT DAY. CAN YOU IMAGINE BEING WIPED CLEAN? AND THAT'S WHAT HE DOES. ON THE DAY THAT THE LORD SAVES US, HE MAKES US HOLY,
RB: UH-HMM.
LD: AND SANCTIFIED BEFORE HIM. AND THEN HE PUT HIS ARM OUT, LIKE THIS. AND SO, HE PUT HIS RIGHT ARM, AND I PUT MY LEFT ARM RIGHT ON TOP OF HIS. AND WE BEGAN WALKING. AND HE'S SO IMPORTANT. AND HE'S NEEDED EVERYWHERE. BUT I WAS SO IMPORTANT.
RB: WOW.
LD: HE WANTED TO SPEND THAT TIME WITH ME.
RB: WOW.
LD: SO, HE BEGAN WALKING ME THROUGH THE GARDENS.
RB: WOW.
LD: AND I WAS VERY HAPPY TO BE IN THE GARDENS THERE. IT'S STUNNING. AND THERE ARE BEAUTIFUL WATERFALLS, AND BEAUTIFUL PARK BENCHES, AND VERY COMFORTABLE CHAIRS AND THINGS OUT THERE TO SIT IN.
AND HE WAS WALKING ME TO A PLACE IN THE GARDENS THAT, I WAS JUST DRAWN TO THIS PLACE. I WANTED TO SIT DOWN IN THIS PLACE.
RB: YEAH.
LD: AND WHEN I SAT THERE, HE WAS VERY EXCITED THAT THIS WAS THE PLACE THAT I HAD CHOSEN,
RB: YEAH.
LD: TO REST. AND I LOOKED. AND THERE WAS A STATUE. THERE ARE MANY STATUES IN HEAVEN'S PARKS. BUT THIS STATUE WAS OF JESUS AND ME.
RB: WOW.
LD: THERE WERE STATUES OF PEOPLE THAT WERE IMPORTANT TO HIM.
RB: YEAH. YEAH.
LD: BUT THIS ONE WAS OF ME. AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN, TO SEE THAT, I KNOW THAT FATHER'S ON THE EARTH CARRY THEIR CHILDREN'S PICTURES IN THEIR WALLET.
RB: RIGHT. EXACTLY.
LD: AND TO KNOW THAT I AM SO IMPORTANT THAT JESUS MADE A STATUE OF US TOGETHER. YOU KNOW, IT JUST DOES SOMETHING TO YOU.
RB: YEAH.
LD: TO KNOW, TO SEE THE LOVE OF GOD.
RB: IT'S HEALING. I IMAGINE, THAT STUFF. RIGHT?
LD: AND CONNECTING.
RB: CONNECTING.
LD: YOU KNOW, TO KNOW HOW MUCH HE LOVES US, HOW COULD WE DOUBT THAT HE LOVES US? AND WHEN I SAW IT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, JUST SHARING IT WITH YOU MAKES YOU FEEL, KIND OF, REALLY IMPORTANT. [LAUGHS]
RB: I KNOW. I'M PRETTY SPECIAL IS WHAT YOU THINK.
LD: THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S' RIGHT.
RB: OKAY.
LD: I DIDN'T SEE YOUR STATUE THERE YET.
RB: YEAH. IT'S UP THERE SOMEPLACE.
LD: BUT I'M SURE IT'S THERE.
RB: I'M ONE OF GOD'S FAVORITES. [LAUGHS]
LD: THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT.
RB: SO YOU TELL PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE HOMESICK FOR HEAVEN. I WOULD IMAGINE YOU EXPERIENCE THIS STUFF ALL THE TIME, AND IT MAKES YOU HOMESICK.
LD: OH. YOU KNOW, I REALLY LIKE WHO I AM IN HEAVEN.
RB: YEAH.
LD: BECAUSE, LIKE, AS I SAID, THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE IN HEAVEN THAT ARE NOT HERE, AND THERE ARE THINGS HERE THAT ARE NOT IN HEAVEN.
RB: RIGHT.
LD: DOUBT.
RB: HMM.
LD: DESPAIR. THERE IS NO SELF-HATRED IN HEAVEN. NOT THAT I SUFFER WITH THAT. BUT WHEN I USE TO, IT'S GONE THERE.
RB: RIGHT.
LD: TRUTH, AND PURITY, AND KNOWLEDGE, BEING ACCEPTED.
RB: YOU KNOW YOU'RE HOME.
LD: IT'S SO WELCOMING. AND YOU KNOW EVERYBODY THERE.
RB: WHEN WE COME BACK WE'RE GOING TO [MUSIC] TALK WITH LAURIE MORE ABOUT HEAVEN. I MEAN, THESE STORIES ARE INCREDIBLE. I HOPE YOU'RE FEELING THAT PULL OF THE LOVE OF THE FATHER AS WE CHAT. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.
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RB: WELCOME BACK TO "SOMETHING MORE." I'M HERE WITH LAURIE DITTO. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ENCOUNTERING HEAVEN. AND I WANT TO GET RIGHT INTO THIS. YOU HAVE A STORY OF HOW YOU WERE ON THE MAIN STREET OF HEAVEN BUT HIDING FROM THE FATHER, OR TRYING TO HIDE FROM THE FATHER.
LD: YES. YES. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BUSY, BUSTLING PLACE. I WAS VERY EXCITED TO SEE THE DIFFERENT TIME PERIODS OF PEOPLE, FAMILY MEMBERS THERE.
RB: WHEN YOU SAY TIME PERIODS, YOU MEAN, LIKE WHEN THEY LIVED ON EARTH?
LD: RIGHT. SO, YOU GET TO CHOOSE YOUR CLOTHES STYLE. AND THERE WAS A BEAUTIFUL FAMILY, THEY'RE MY FAMILY, AND THEY WERE WALKING. AND SHE HAD ONE OF THESE BEAUTIFUL BUSTLE DRESSES AND THINGS.
RB: RIGHT. RIGHT.
LD: SO, I MEAN, IT'S JUST A REAL HAPPY ENVIRONMENT. AND I SAW JESUS ON THE STREET, BUT HE WAS BUSY. THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS MOVING AND PLAYING ON THE STREET. AND THEN, ALL OF A SUDDEN, THE FATHER STEPPED ONTO MAIN STREET SOMEWHERE AWAY FROM ME. BUT EVERYONE KNOWS.
RB: AND YOU KNEW IT.
LD: YOU KNOW WHERE THEY ARE. AND PEOPLE WERE SO EXCITED THAT THEY WERE GOING TO SEE THE FATHER. BUT I WAS NOT EXCITED.
RB: YEAH.
LD: I WAS NOT EXCITED.
RB: WHY WERE YOU NOT EXCITED?
LD: [LAUGHS]
RB: I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW I WOULD HAVE RESPONDED.
LD: I QUICKLY GOT BEHIND THE TREE FIRST. SO I'M BACK THERE,
RB: THAT'S WHAT ADAM AND EVE DID. [LAUGHS]
LD: [LAUGHS] YEAH. YEAH. I GET BEHIND THIS TREE.
RB: YEAH.
LD: AND IT'S LIKE HE'S COMING. HE'S COMING. HE'S COMING. AND HE CAME. AND I KNEW HE WAS LOOKING FOR ME. I KNEW IT. AND WHEN HE GOT THERE HE WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING TO ME, RYAN. HE WANTED TO SAY THAT, "LAURIE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK." AND I DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO GO BACK. BUT WHAT HE WANTED TO SAY TO ME WAS, "BECAUSE HEAVEN IS NOT HEAVEN FOR YOU RIGHT NOW."
I UNDERSTOOD RIGHT AWAY IT'S BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO RELATE TO HIM.
RB: TO THE FATHER.
LD: TO THE FATHER.
RB: YEAH.
LD: YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO HIDE FROM HIM. I WAS REALLY CONCERNED THAT I DIDN'T MEASURE UP, THAT MY BEST WASN'T GOING TO BE BEST ENOUGH. I REMEMBER THINKING THAT IF GOD WOULD JUST LET ME IN, AND MAYBE I COULD CLEAN THE TOILETS OF HEAVEN, OR SOMETHING.
RB: WOW. YEAH.
LD: BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO SEE THE FATHER THE WAY THAT JESUS HAS TAUGHT US. HE SAID, "IF YOU'VE SEEN ME,
RB: RIGHT.
LD: THEN YOU'VE SEEN THE FATHER." AND THAT MEANS MORE THAN JUST A PHYSICAL APPEARANCE. THAT MEANS THEY ARE JUST ALIKE.
RB: IN OTHER WORDS, WOULD YOU SAY THAT, AS YOU READ THE GOSPELS, MATTHEW, MARK, LUKE, AND JOHN, YOU SEE JESUS DOING THIS, DOING THAT, HIS PERSONALITY, THAT THE FATHER IS JUST LIKE THAT IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
LD: RIGHT. BUT I CAME WITH A WRONG PERCEPTION OF HIM.
RB: OKAY. IS THAT BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU WENT THROUGH ON EARTH?
LD: YOU KNOW, PROBABLY A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS PLAY INTO IT.
RB: RIGHT.
LD: BUT THE CONCEPT THAT YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO RELATE TO WHOLE TRINITY, AND IF THAT'S BROKEN IN YOU,
RB: MM. THAT'S GOOD.
LD: THEN WE NEED TO GO TO JESUS AND LET HIM HEAL US, WHICHEVER PART OF THE TRINITY THAT YOU CAN GO TO. AND JESUS WANTED ME TO KNOW THAT GOD THE FATHER HAS NEVER FORSAKEN ME. HE WILL NEVER LEAVE ME.
AND THE LIES THAT I HAD ATTACHED TO THE FATHER IS SO UNJUST.
RB: WOW.
LD: AND, OF COURSE, HE'S GOING TO BE ON MAIN STREET. AND, OF COURSE, HE WANTS TO SEE HIS CHILDREN. AND I THINK HE SINGLED ME OUT BECAUSE HE KNEW I WAS HURT.
RB: RIGHT. RIGHT.
LD: YOU KNOW, HE CARES ABOUT US. AND SO, MAIN STREET REALLY CHANGED MY LIFE IN GOOD WAYS.
RB: AND WHAT DID YOU, WHAT WERE YOU FEELING WHEN YOU WERE ENCOUNTERING THE FATHER THERE? DID HE TALK TO YOU?
LD: HE DID. HE SAID TO ME THAT I HAD TO GO BACK.
RB: YEAH.
LD: SO, YOU KNOW, MY HEART WAS BEATING OUT OF MY CHEST.
RB: YEAH.
LD: I'M UP AGAINST THIS TREE.
RB: YEAH.
LD: YOU KNOW, ALL THE BEAUTY OF MAIN STREET IS NOW GONE.
RB: YEAH.
LD: AND JUST THIS PANIC THAT'S TOTALLY FOREIGN TO HEAVEN.
RB: RIGHT.
LD: IT DOESN'T BELONG THERE.
RB: RIGHT.
LD: AND THERE WAS NO REASON FOR IT. THAT WAS, I THINK THAT WAS THE PART THAT, AND IT HURT THE FATHER.
RB: YEAH.
LD: YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, IT WOULD HURT SOMEBODY WHO LOVES YOU SO MUCH, AND YOU DON'T, YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO RUN TO HIM.
RB: YEAH.
LD: INSTEAD OF RUN AWAY AND HIDE.
RB: RIGHT.
LD: BUT HE FIXED ALL THAT. SO I'M REALLY, I LOVE THE FATHER. AND I LOVE HOW MUCH HE LOVES ME.
RB: YOU FEEL HIS LOVE. YOU EXPERIENCED HIS LOVE.
LD: YES. YES.
RB: NOW, YOU HAVE 11 GRANDKIDS.
LD: YES.
RB: AND YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU CAN'T RELATE TO EACH ONE OF YOUR GRANDKIDS THE SAME AS THE OTHERS, WHAT YOU TALK ABOUT. SO, IN THAT, YOU TALK ABOUT UNDERSTANDING THAT, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REBELLION AND IMMATURITY. TALK ABOUT THAT.
LD: THAT'S TRUE. SO, I HAVE 11 GRANDCHILDREN. ONE OF THEM LIVES IN HEAVEN NOW.
RB: OH. OKAY.
LD: AND SO, I HAVE MY YOUNGEST GRANDSON, ONE OF THE YOUNGEST GRANDSONS RIGHT NOW. OH, HE'S PUSHING HIS FOOD ON THE FLOOR.
RB: YEAH.
LD: YOU KNOW. AND YOU'RE TRYING TO TRAIN HIM DON'T DO THAT.
RB: YEAH.
LD: BUT I HAVE AN 11-YEAR-OLD GRANDDAUGHTER RIGHT NOW, AND IF SHE DID IT, THAT WOULD BE TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.
RB: RIGHT.
LD: AND THE FATHER RELATES TO US, NOT IN OUR PHYSICAL AGE, BUT IN OUR SPIRIT AGE.
RB: YES.
LD: HOW ARE WE, WHAT CAN WE HANDLE, HOW MUCH DO WE UNDERSTAND? AND THOSE TYPE THINGS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO UNDERSTAND THAT GOD JUDGES THE HEART, NOT JUST FOR JUDGMENT, BUT TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT STAGE ARE YOU AT. AND IT'S SO GOOD THAT HE IS PERFECT AT DOING THAT, AND CAN HELP US.
AND SO, IMMATURITY ISN'T THE SAME AS REBELLION, IN THAT, IMMATURITY IS JUST THAT YOU'RE TRYING, AND COLORING A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE OF THE LINES.
RB: RIGHT.
LD: YOU KNOW. REBELLION IS WHEN YOU REFUSE TO TRY.
RB: WOW.
LD: YOU REFUSE. MY HIDING BEHIND THE TREE WAS, THE PROBLEM'S INSIDE OF ME.
RB: RIGHT.
LD: NOT BEING ABLE TO REACH OUT AND LET HIM COVER ME IN HIS LOVE.
RB: YEAH. YEAH.
LD: AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE ARE JUST TOO HURT. AND HE'S SO PATIENT.
RB: WOW.
LD: THE LONG-SUFFERING INSIDE OF OUR FATHER.
RB: OH, THANK GOD.
LD: THERE'S NO COMPARISON.
RB: THANK GOD. [LAUGHS]
LD: AMEN. AMEN.
RB: WHEN WE COME BACK WE'RE GOING TO TALK WITH LAURIE MORE ABOUT HEAVEN. SHE'S GOING TO PRAY FOR YOU. SHE'S JUST GOING TO PRAY THE HEAVEN ON YOU, THE LOVE OF THE FATHER. AND SO YOU DON'T WANT TO MISS WHAT'S COMING UP NEXT.
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RB: WE'RE HAVING A LOT OF FUN TALKING ABOUT HEAVEN, AND ENCOUNTERING HEAVEN, AND TALKING ABOUT THE FATHER, AND JESUS, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. AND I LOVE THE BIBLE VERSE, FOR SOME REASON, IT'S ALWAYS STOOD OUT TO ME, IN MATTHEW. THE PURE IN HEART SEE GOD.
LD: UM-HM.
RB: NOW, YOU HAVE BEEN THERE, MANY TIMES TO HEAVEN. AND WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT ON THIS SHOW. BUT YOU'VE EXPERIENCED HELL. AND THAT'S ON OUR "IT'S SUPERNATURAL" SHOW. WE TALK ABOUT THAT. SO, YOU'VE REALLY LEARNED FIRST-HAND ABOUT LIVING PURE AND A PURE HEART BEFORE GOD. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO YOU?
LD: WELL, I'M VERY LITERAL, SO I SEE THE BIBLE VERY LITERALLY. AND PURE IN HEART, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW WHEN THINGS ARE UNSETTLED IN OUR HEART.
RB: YEAH.
LD: ESPECIALLY IF IT'S AGAINST A BROTHER, OR, WE CAN REALLY IDENTIFY THE THINGS THAT ARE BOTHERING US. AND SO, IF WE CAN GET RID OF ALL OF THAT TRAFFIC IN OUR HEART, I BELIEVE THE BIBLE TEACHES US THAT IF YOU'RE PURE IN HEART, YOU SHALL SEE GOD. AND SO I BANK ON THAT.
RB: AND WHAT DOES SEEING GOD MEAN TO YOU?
LD: WELL, THE WAY THAT MY GIFTS GO, YOU KNOW, I CAN SEE A PRESENCE COME INTO THE ROOM. BUT MY FAVORITE WAY OF SEEING GOD, OR SENSING GOD IS THAT HE'LL JUST COME GET ME,
RB: YEAH.
LD: AND TAKE ME. TAKE ME SOMEWHERE WITH HIM. AND I LOVE WHEN I GET TO GO TO HEAVEN. EVERYBODY WANTS,
RB: RIGHT. RIGHT.
LD: EVERYBODY NEEDS TO WANT TO GO TO HEAVEN.
RB: RIGHT. EXACTLY. NOW, THE BIBLE SAYS THE PURE IN HEART SEE GOD. SO YOU'RE SAYING THE PURE IN HEART ENCOUNTER GOD, BASICALLY.
LD: YEAH. AND IN HOWEVER YOU'RE PROPHETIC MAKEUP IS DESIGNED. ONCE YOU CAN FIGURE THAT OUT THEN, I BELIEVE HE SET IT UP FOR ALL OF US TO SEE HIM, SENSE HIM, EXPERIENCE HIM, HEAR HIM. WHICHEVER WAY THAT IT WORKS FOR EVERY INDIVIDUAL.
RB: OKAY. AND YOU GIVE MANY TOOLS ABOUT HOW THE PEOPLE AT HOME CAN EXPERIENCE GOD.
LD: UM-HMM.
RB: ENCOUNTER GOD, ENCOUNTER HEAVEN. I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO GO INTO MANY OF THEM. BUT GIVE ME A COUPLE OF VERY IMPORTANT KEYS TO REALLY ENCOUNTERING GOD ON YOUR OWN.
LD: WELL, WE'RE MADE UP OF THREE PARTS; BODY, SOUL, AND SPIRIT. AND SO, THE FIRST THING THAT I TRY TO HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IS, MAKE YOUR BODY WORSHIP GOD. AND, FOR WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE.
RB: YEAH.
LD: SOME PEOPLE.
RB: I SEE MYSELF GOING, "HEY!" [LAUGHS]
RB: GET UP. GET UP. COME ON. LET'S GO.
LD: RIGHT. RIGHT. AND FOR SOME PEOPLE, ACTUALLY, MAKING YOUR BODY WORSHIP, WOULD BE RAISING YOUR HANDS.
RB: YEAH.
LD: THAT COULD BE SOMETHING FOR SOMEONE. BUT, PHYSICALLY, MAKE YOUR BODY WORSHIP GOD. AND THEN OUR SOUL, OUR MIND, OUR WILL, OUR EMOTION. AND FOR MY MIND, I'VE LEARNED TO REALLY STUDY THE CROSS. BECAUSE ONCE YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT JESUS HAS DONE FOR US, THE DOUBT, DOES JESUS LOVE ME?
SATAN CAN NEVER BRING THAT LIE WHEN YOU STUDY THE CROSS. AND THE CROSS HAS A WAY OF AFFECTING OUR MIND, OUR WILL, OUR EMOTION. AND SO WE GET ALL PARTS OF US WORSHIPPING GOD SO THAT IN OUR MEDITATIVE PLACE.
AND I USE DIFFERENT TYPES OF WORSHIP AND PRAISE MUSIC, AND THEN INSTRUMENTAL. AND THEN I CONCENTRATE ON THE CROSS. AND THEN I, WHEN I STAND BACK AND I LOOK AT JESUS, I TELL HIM, "LORD, WHAT DO YOU HAVE FOR ME?
RB: WOW.
LD: SHOW ME THE PLANS AND PURPOSES." AND, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS THOUGHT YOU COULD BE RIGHT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE CROSS. BUT IN MY MIND, I REALIZED I HAVE TO BACK UP BECAUSE I WANT HIS EYES TO SEE ME.
I WANT TO SEE THIS GREAT SHOW OF LOVE. AND IT'S ABOUT AT THAT POINT THAT HE COMES. IF HE'S GOING TO COME AND GET ME, THAT'S WHEN HE COMES AND GETS ME.
RB: SO WHEN YOU'RE STUDYING THE CROSS, YOU'RE STUDYING WHAT HE DID FOR YOU? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?
LD: ABSOLUTELY. AND THERE ARE LOTS OF WAYS. I MEAN, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT PARTS OF IT. I'VE LOOKED AT A LOT OF HYMNS THAT HAVE THE WORDS OF WHAT GOD HAS REVEALED TO DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS ABOUT THE CROSS. AND THEN THE ACTUAL BREAKDOWN OF IT.
RB: YEAH.
LD: JUST, THERE'S A LOT OF WORKS OUT THERE ON THE CROSS.
RB: YEAH.
LD: AND THEN I MEDITATE. JESUS, WHAT DID YOU DO FOR ME?
RB: AND YOU TEACH PEOPLE THAT YOU MAY NOT GET THIS HEAVENLY EXPERIENCE WHERE YOU'RE TAKEN TO HEAVEN, BUT STAY IN PRESENCE.
LD: OH BUDDY.
RB: TALK ABOUT THIS.
LD: OH. THERE IS NOTHING BETTER. YOU KNOW THAT PLACE WHERE YOU'RE WORSHIPPING, AND, ALL OF A SUDDEN, SOMEBODY AT CHURCH IS LIKE, "EXCUSE ME. I NEED TO GET THROUGH."
RB: OH. YES.
LD: AND YOU HAVE TO COME OUT OF THIS PLACE WITH GOD. [LAUGHS]
RB: DISRUPTIVE. VERY DISRUPTIVE. [LAUGHS]
LD: AND IT'S OKAY BECAUSE WE LOVE EVERYBODY. BUT THAT PLACE WITH BEING WITH GOD, ONE MINUTE IN THE PRESENCE OF GOD, ONE MINUTE OF LETTING HIM TOUCH MY HEART WILL FILL ME UP FOR THE WHOLE DAY.
RB: I LOVE THAT.
LD: AND, YOU KNOW, HE WANTS IT EVERY DAY. SO, IT'S NOT AS IF I CAN COME TO HIM JUST ON SUNDAY.
RB: RIGHT. RIGHT.
LD: HE WANTS TO SEE ME AND BE WITH ME EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY DAY. AND SO, I LOVE TO ENCOUNTER GOD, I JUST WANT TO BE WITH YOU.
RB: WOW.
LD: AND HE SHOWS UP IN AWESOME WAYS, THROUGH WONDERFUL PEOPLE.
RB: YES.
LD: BEAUTIFUL THINGS OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW, BUMPER STICKERS. HE HAS A WAY OF,
RB: LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT FOR A MINUTE. I THINK THAT PEOPLE GET A LITTLE NARROW-MINDED, IN THAT, IF I DON'T HAVE A VISION, OR IF I DON'T SEE THIS, OR SEE THAT, OR FEEL THIS, THEN GOD MUST NOT BE APPROVING, OR SOMETHING MUST BE WRONG.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING TO FIND HIM IN ALL THESE LITTLE AREAS AS WELL. [LAUGHS]
RB: IS THAT WHAT YOU DO?
LD: RIGHT. YOU KNOW, IN HEAVEN THE HOLY SPIRIT LIKES TO PLAY HIDE AND SEEK. HE STILL LIKES TO PLAY HIDE AND SEEK.
RB: YEAH.
LD: AND SO I LOOK FOR HIM. I LOOK FOR HIM IN THE BRIGHTNESS OF OTHER PEOPLE'S EYES.
RB: WOW.
LD: OR, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE HEARING OTHER PEOPLE TALKING, PARENTS TALKING TO THEIR CHILDREN ABOUT HOW MUCH I LOVE YOU. WHY DID JESUS LET ME HEAR THAT?
RB: YEAH.
LD: AND HE'S WORKING VERY HARD AT HELPING US FEEL CONNECTED, NOT JUST TO HIM, BUT TO ONE ANOTHER, AND TO UNDERSTAND THAT HIS PLANS AND PURPOSES FOR US ARE REALLY, REALLY WONDERFUL.
RB: NOW, WE LIVE IN A VERY BUSY 21ST CENTURY.
LD: UM-HUH.
RB: SO, YOU TEACH PEOPLE HOW TO RELAX AND HOW TO CHILL OUT. [LAUGHS]
RB: AND COME INTO THE PRESENCE OF GOD. WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THE BUSY PEOPLE OUT THERE?
LD: WELL, I AM ONE.
RB: I AM, TOO.
LD: I AM ONE.
RB: IT'S A QUESTION FOR ME, TOO.
LD: SO, YOU KNOW, THAT QUITE PLACE, WHAT I'VE LEARNED FOR ME IS I'VE GOT TO HAVE SOME TIME, I THINK, I'M AN EXTRAVERT, SO I THINK THE INTROVERT'S KNOW SOMETHING.
RB: YEAH. RIGHT.
LD: I HAVE TO HAVE SOME TIME IN MY DAY WHERE MY THOUGHTS JUST GET TO THINK ABOUT MY LOVE FOR JESUS.
RB: MM-MM.
LD: AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THAT I'M DOING NOTHING. IN FACT, MY FAVORITE THING TO DO IS SCRUB THE FLOOR, SCRUB THE KITCHEN FLOOR OR,
RB: YEAH.
LD: BATHROOM FLOOR.
RB: NOT MY FAVORITE THING. [LAUGHS] I SCRUB THE FLOOR AND JUST CONCENTRATE ON, "JESUS, I LOVE YOU."
RB: ON THAT NOTE, I REALLY FEEL THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD. WOULD YOU PRAY FOR THE PEOPLE AT HOME? JUST LOOK INTO THE CAMERA AND JUST PRAY FOR THEM.
LD: YES.
THANK YOU. JESUS, WE LOVE YOU. HOLY SPIRIT, WE LOVE YOU. FATHER, WE LOVE YOU. ALL OF US WANT TO KNOW YOU BETTER. ALL OF US WANT TO BE ABLE TO CALM DOWN, TO CONNECT WITH OUR LOVE THAT WE FEEL TOWARDS YOU, AND TO LET THAT LOVE TAKE US HIGHER INTO YOUR PRESENCE.
JESUS, I PRAY FOR MY FAMILY MEMBERS OUT HERE. IF YOU LOVE JESUS YOU'RE MY FAMILY. AND I PRAY THAT GOD, YOU WOULD COME AND GET ALL OF US, AND SHOW US THE WONDROUS, AND MARVELOUS PLACES.
SHOW US GOD, AND HELP US BECOME THE PEOPLE YOU'VE CREATED US TO BE. LORD, WE LOVE YOU, AND WE WANT MORE OF YOU. I PRAY THESE THINGS IN THE MIGHTY, MIGHTY NAME OF JESUS CHRIST.
[MUSIC]
RB: AMEN. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US ON "SOMETHING MORE." AND WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT TIME.
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--- Thus Testimony From Paul McGuire ...
- Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. - (John 14:6).
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